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Henny Penny

Well I won't be an attorney for a few more weeks and certainly have never gotten the opportunity to work on this kind of problem... BUT there is a long standing proposition in American contract law that you can't sue for the birth of a healthy baby you didn't want. Comes from vasectomy cases if I remember 1L year. On the other hand, all kinds of legal traditions (especially in wills and estates) are being challenged by new fertility technology.

Henny Penny

Can't recover damamges for the birth of a healthy baby.

Emma B

I talked about this at some length on my own blog recently, if you forgive the self-promotion.

The clinic screwed up, there's no question. When I asked my mom about what her clinic would do in such a situation, she said they would absolutely offer the patient some sort of compensation, and have done so in the past when faced with other clinic errors. It doesn't erase all the difficulties of having twins, but no amount of money will.

If you aren't willing to trade even a slight possibility of multiples for having children, don't do infertility treatment, period. You can alleviate the risk, but you can't ever erase it entirely. What does it ultimately matter if it's from human error or if it's identical twins?

The real assholishness of the situation, to my mind, is the fact that they have sued the doctor and gone on the public record saying some rather nasty things about their children. How will the children feel when they someday discover that their birth was viewed by their mothers as a terrible, traumatic thing? That they were responsible for creating deep rifts in the parents' relationship? That the parents seriously considered giving one of them up for adoption?

Obviously, you've blogged before about your ambivalence about high-order multiples.
However, you've done it in a thoughtful way, which acknowledges the real difficulties without reference to your specific children. This couple's public statements have been quite different, and I suspect the children will find them difficult to read someday.

swissmiss

"Every person I've known who's done IVF hasn't made the final decision about the numbers until the morning of transfer." Really? My Swiss RE (where 2 is the max transfer number) wants the number at the beginning of the cycle and fills out the form for the lab at that time.

However, once, out of four attempts (one fresh IVF and three FETs) the morning of transfer the lab director said we know you signed up to transfer one but we have two really good looking ones here, would you like to transfer both or should we re-freeze one? Through me into a total tizzy - we stuck with our original decision of only one because we figured if we meant it then, when we had lots of time to hash it out, we probably still mean it in these stressful last five minutes. I can't imagine making that decision on the day of transfer. Talk about stress and suboptimal conditions for decision making...

I guess I've gotten all Swiss in my approach to IVF - they're very regulated over here compared to the US - because my first thought was that the clinic seriously needs a licensing committee to go through its procedures with a fine-toothed comb. What fools blow off and/or misunderstand a patient's wishes like that?

Jody

Swissmiss, I don't have extensive experience with IVFers, but most people I know tell stories like yours. They signed papers offering ranges and guidelines, but the final decision was made on the day of transfer, based on the quality of the embryos at that moment.

A general word: I used to get every single comment via e-mail. Of course, you all know I didn't respond to every single comment, because I Am Lame. But I knew they were there. And I EXPECTED to respond -- I just deleted 3500+ e-mails last week, when I acknowledged the impossibility of the task. But now? Typepad is eating about 1 comment in every 3. So if I'm completely oblivious and you've asked something directly or you're trying to get me to respond, uh, well, it might be because I don't always remember to open my own comment threads.

I Am A Very Bad Blogger. What else can I say?

chris

See, you're the first person to actually have an opinion I agree with on this subject and I suspect it's because you have multiples. I don't think that wanting to be compensated for "damages" in any way automatically means these parents don't love their children. It means a contract was broken and they want to be compensated. That's it. Sure, they sound like jerks. But that's beside the point.

I'm sure I could get all legal on you regarding this issue, but I'm just too tired. See? Twins. Not so easy. Still, well-loved.

akeeyu

I absolutely agree with you that many couples don't make a final decision about numbers until the day of transfer.

I also agree that the doctor (and/or his embryologist) made a mistake, or at least displayed poor communication skills.

I agree that they should be able to sue.

However, I think they're being jerks about it. They've stated, for the record, that they lost the ability to love, that they wished one of the embryos would "go away" during the pregnancy, bla bla bla.

By all means, sue, but do it in a way that doesn't state or imply that you don't love your children or you wish one of them had never been born.

Sam and I really wanted to have one child at a time, mostly because of the risks involved with multiples. We wanted this so much that we did elective single embryo transfers. This last cycle was The Last Cycle, and on the day of transfer, we had two blasts. Given my uterus's history of killing off embryos and given our previous 50% thaw rate, we decided to throw 'em both back in. What the hell.

Well, now I'm pregnant and there are definitely two in there. Most of the time when I think abou the logistics of gestating, birthing, and raising two at a time, I think "Oh, shit," but at the same time, I love them.

If somebody offered me $400,000 to declare in open court (even anonymously) that I couldn't love them, that I wished one of them had died, or that bearing them had completely ruined my life, I wouldn't do it. You don't do that to your children for money.

mamacate

Exactly what you said. I immediately saw the horrible stuff as legal maneuvering. Though I would probably think twice about the day when my kids read the old news clippings.

Clinics don't let you decide how many on the high side, because infertile women are crazy (I say this with full knowledge that I was a crazy person). I supported a friend who did DE in Ukraine and hung out on a yahoo group of women doing that, and they were letting women decide and many of them were putting back 4 or 5 high quality proven donor embryos. SCARY. I think it's typical that women *CAN* absolutely limit the number of embryos on the low side.

My twins were fresh IVF number 4. Because I'd failed with 2, 3 frozen, 4, and 4, they offered to put 5 back. I looked at the photo of the embryos (same grade as the time before), considered the med changes, and said no, 4 will do. I might be a member of triplet connection too had I agreed... (And I wouldn't have reduced because of the research you cite.)

suszoz

I discussed this on my blog too.
http://susoz.typepad.com/personal_political/2007/09/a-tale-of-two-e.html
It caused a big stir here in Australia and there was a nasty anti-lesbian tinge to the way it was reported and commented on in the press.
One thing that's different here is that, in a semi-nationalised health system, there is a limit of two embryos to IVF transfers nowadays anyway (I can't remember whether that would have been so at the time of their transfer, four years ago). In fact most IVF clinics are moving to a single-embryo transfer policy, as the impact on the public hospital system of so many multiple births from IVF has been unacceptably high, as well as the negative impact on physical and mental health of parents, especially mothers.

Shannon

Law and Order has some adoption doozies too.

I wish the couple well from what I know of it. But the poor kids. How would it feel to know that your parents sued the doctors for getting you concieved?

Helen

By all means, sue, but do it in a way that doesn't state or imply that you don't love your children or you wish one of them had never been born.

Yes, and the other thing was, I think they mentioned that they were suing for all those $$$ partly because they insisted on private education. In other words, to keep the kid /kids away from the rest of our unwashed brats. That's when my sympathy evaporated.

julie

It's funny, but I think I was less stressed overall after the twins were born than I was after Raisin's birth. They're only a year old, so it's too early to tell much about their development, I suppose, but they're hitting the important milestones within normal ranges. And nobody (that I know of) selectively reduces multiple pregnancies that come about "naturally," like mine. Does all that come into the research?

Emmie (Better Make It A Double)

That third to last point made my day - not because it changes anything, but because it sums it all up so damned well. Oh, and I'm with you on Clinton. I even have a valid passport to another country, so don't try me.

Bridgett

I really have no opinion one way or another about IVF or any of this, but I will say that the words "infertility haunted fever dreams of Dick Wolf" made me laugh out loud.

I can only think of two of those episodes, alas, no help there.

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